Open Problem: Is AdamW Effective Under Heavy-Tailed Noise?
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A fundamental gap in optimizer theory threatens to widen as LLM training scales. AdamW dominates production use across the industry, yet lacks rigorous convergence guarantees under heavy-tailed noise, the empirically dominant regime in large-scale pretraining. Competitors like Lion and Muon already have theoretical backing for this setting, while AdaGrad's second-moment mechanics have been proven sound. This open problem exposes whether AdamW's architecture harbors a structural limitation or merely awaits proof. Resolution matters: if AdamW provably fails under heavy tails, the field faces pressure to retool optimization infrastructure across billions of parameters.
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The framing here is subtler than 'AdamW might be wrong.' The real issue is asymmetric scrutiny: Lion and Muon were newer entrants that had to earn theoretical credibility, while AdamW inherited its dominant position before the heavy-tailed noise regime was well-characterized as the relevant one for large-scale pretraining. The field may have been asking the wrong convergence questions for years.
This story sits in a cluster of infrastructure-level concerns about whether the foundations supporting current LLM scaling are as solid as production adoption implies. The related coverage this week is largely disconnected from this thread, covering robotics data collection (AutoDex, CoorDex) and image generation diversity. The closest thematic neighbor is the Randomized YaRN work from the same date, which also addresses a gap between what models are trained to handle and what they encounter at scale, though that work proposes a concrete fix while this paper names an open problem without resolving it.
Watch whether any of the major optimizer teams (particularly those maintaining Muon or Lion) publish a formal proof or disproof for AdamW under heavy-tailed noise within the next six months. A disproof with a concrete failure case would be the forcing function that actually pressures infrastructure teams to act.
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·arXiv cs.CL
Randomized YaRN Improves Length Generalization for Long-Context Reasoning
Researchers propose Randomized YaRN, a training technique that addresses a persistent weakness in LLM deployment: the inability to reliably handle sequences far longer than those seen during pretraining. By injecting positional encodings sampled from an expanded range during short-context training, the method exposes models to out-of-distribution position signals early, effectively teaching them to extrapolate. Combined…
MentionsAdamW · Lion · Muon · AdaGrad
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